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« on: May 01, 2011, 09:44:13 PM »

1988 Fiero GT - Super Charged 3800 build
Bob Pennone SR (Pappy)

Ok this is now my official swap thread   :confused:
I put a link in the old thread pointing to this one  biggrin

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I don't have a My Face, Tweet Book or any of them social netwerk thingies, but I do have a sense of humor  wink
I was born in the deep South in the late 50's - Love Godzilla movies, Firefly, MST3K and Halo -  Miller Light, Mikes Hard Limeade - Enough about me.....

DISCLAIMER: This is for informational purposes only - I am not responsible for anyone getting hurt, breaking any parts, miss use of equipment, explosions, astronomical anomalies, spacial distortions or spousal malfunctions   :naughty:

I should have called this thread A Poor Mans SC3800 Swap since I am unemployed at the moment. We will be doing this swap on the cheap, so I apologize for not being able to put the latest and greatest hardware on the car. We're just gonna have to make do with what we have on hand  smile

If any of this build thread is useful to you - Feel free to give me a complimentary / honorable mention in your link or build thread  :thumbsup:

Please note this is an 88GT with Auto, AC and Cruise - Some steps may not apply or will be completely different in other applications

If I come back and change something I will try to use "ADD:" or "EDIT:" to note these changes
ADD: Like this  confused?

I would like to thank the following individuals for all their help, time, parts, cahootin, information, diagrams, guidance and friendship
2manycars - Marc F  :pidu:
Dezldave961 - Dave P  biggrin
Dragon - Frank M :thumbsup:
Darth Fiero - Ryan G - Sinister Performance - GM Tuners   :notworthy:
And of course my wife Pam  cool

The main players:
1988 Red Pontiac Fiero GT Auto, AC, Cruise
1997 Silver / Bronze-ish Buick Park Avenue Ultra (Donner car)



I reckon I'm lucky that I have two complete running cars to perform this swap. Knowing that everything works is a big plus here. This way we don't have to piece mill 3800 stuff together like motor/trans/comp, the Buick was my daily driver. It is a shame I am going to destroy it - It truly is a nice car

I am in no way trying to build a competition show car, I just want to build a daily driver that can run 12s in the quarter and gets 30+ MPG   biggrin

So far, we've completely rebuilt the front end with factory rubber bushings, lowered her 1 inch using Rodney Dickman's lowering ball joints and longer zero lash end links, installed a new Kenwood stereo system, and Mr Mikes seat covers - Light Gray on Gray. I still had a job at this time wink



The swap will be done using Purple Reign's Motor Mounts, Low Mount Alternator Bracket and Shift Plate Adapter

rolleyes ADD: The Low Mount Alternator Bracket and Front Motor Mount were out of tolerance - I managed to salvage the Front Mount with a lot (and I mean a heap) of modifications but the Alternator Bracket remained unusable - The Shift Plate Adapter will not fit under the stock 3800 exhaust crossover pipe without modification either

:angry: I prepaid - Had to wait over 8 months to get them - Parts were not built to correct specifications - Slow response to inquires, wait times could range from weeks to months - When issues were brought to this vendors attention, responses were less than helpful and not once did he offer to make things right - Ever

The bottom line: Make your own mounts using a combination of Fiero and any GM 3800 Mini Van mounts or use a different vendor



The new and improved motor dolly
ADD: Notice those nice thick rubber wheels, bad idea   :crybaby:



The 2 ton Arr rr rr!



I'll be using as many parts off the Park Avenue as I can

Things we have - But not yet installed
3.3 modular pulley system on the supercharger - the stock pulley is 3.8
Braided stainless steel brake lines and washers
Slider brake boots

Things we don't have - But need to fabricate
Cold Air Intake
Exhaust system
Side Scoops - Not required but we're gonna try smile
Hood Vent - Not required but we're gonna try yet again

The next step will be to drop the motor, tranny and cradle out of the Fiero and clean up the engine bay
Woo Hoo!!!
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2011, 05:38:14 AM »

Are you planning any Tech Days to assist? Any idea when?

Marc
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    « Reply #2 on: May 02, 2011, 10:08:53 AM »

    Was going to start chipping away at it as time permits, you know how that Honey Do list takes priority wink

    I should get the fluids drained today and possibly disconnect some of the hardware.

    You guys have a tech day slated for the 7th and I already had a commitment that day sad
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    « Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 05:50:30 AM »

    The Tech Day has been losing a few of the key mechanics and cars to make it worthwhile. It may get rescheduled. (Will know better at Thursday's meeting).

    If that happens, maybe we can schedule something quickly at you place to get through the initial motor drop.

    Marc
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      « Reply #4 on: May 03, 2011, 09:57:07 AM »

      I understand, my wife's lunch ladies have their annual bar-b-q on the 7th

      I'm open for the 8th smile
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      « Reply #5 on: May 03, 2011, 08:25:15 PM »

       biggrin Made some progress today  biggrin

      And yes I promise to treat the rust as I go   tongue

      Drained the coolant (Way more complicated than I thought it would be)
      Beside the 2 obvious radiator caps (front and rear) the Chilton's calls for these to be opened as well:

      In the coolant supply and return tubes - Right in front of the rear wheels on each side are 3/16 Allen heads, open these up and drain the coolant



      After that on the passenger side on the bottom of the radiator is this little plastic drain port

      ADD: I recommend that you remove the Thermostat and lift the back end of the car 4-6 inches at this point for better drainage - Any time you lift the back end of a Fiero chock them front wheels boyz

      No matter how much you drain the coolant their always seems to be a little hiding some where to spill out on you and your friends wink



      ADD: When you're done with the coolant drain, disconnect the hoses at the ends of the tubes (engine side) and leave them disconnected, yes even the little heater hose

      Install 3/16 plugs and the radiator drain port

      Sit car back on ground

      ADD: Now is a good time to ensure the rear lug and axle nuts are "broke - loose"

      Mark and remove the deck lid



      The deck lid has 4 bolts, a ground strap and this electrical connection



      The book says to get help removing the deck lid - It weren't that heavy of a lift  rolleyes



      Removed the battery and disconnected this here electrical terminal/connector - I think they call it the C500  wink



      Then onto the Dog Bone 15mm nuts - Gurrr



      ADD: Remove these 2 clamps holding this trunk side harness it will stay with the motor



      I completely removed the air box and plumbing - Because a home made Cold Air Intake will be going in  cool



      Removed the strut tower caps - Three 13mm nuts on each side (6 total)



      Then I called it a night smile
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      « Reply #6 on: May 04, 2011, 05:34:16 AM »

      Shoot me a PM with your address and contact info. I might shoot down for awhile on the 8th to give you a hand.

      Marc
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        « Reply #7 on: May 04, 2011, 05:56:59 AM »

        Marc,

        Sent you a PM but I forgot the 8th is Mothers day.

        Where's that ID10T form I need to fill out?  wink
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        « Reply #8 on: May 04, 2011, 09:41:35 AM »

        I usually celebrate Monther's day by letting Barb help me clean the garage floor or degrease an engine. That's probably why she mumbles at me . . . "you mother"!

        Marc
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          « Reply #9 on: May 07, 2011, 11:42:28 PM »

          After the Lunch Lady gathering I got to put in a little Fiero time tonight. I'm taking it slow mainly because, well I'm slow. Oh and I ain't never done an engine swap on a Fiero before  :confused:


          Got the old rusty battery containment system cut out  biggrin
          Will finish complete removal and relocate after engine pull



          Disconnected:
          Small vacuum hoses
          The rest of the heater and radiator hoses
          Another ground strap - Left this one connected to engine, will retrieve after engine pull
          Fuel lines - Used a 3/4 on the big nut and 5/8 on the little nut



          Remove throttle cables - Out of the brackets too
          ADD: Their were 3 cables connected to the throttle body  rolleyes
          Remove O2 Sensor from the harness and exhaust y-pipe  rolleyes




          More to come ya'll
           
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          « Reply #10 on: May 08, 2011, 12:32:07 AM »

          Are you planning on reusing your cruise control throttle cable? I need on if you're not.
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          « Reply #11 on: May 08, 2011, 12:37:36 AM »

          I think we will be going electronic so you got dibs

          wink
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          « Reply #12 on: May 08, 2011, 01:11:41 AM »

          This is an idea I had about a year ago - Painted one of strut caps to see how I'd like it
          I liked it - So now they shall match, so let it be written, so let it be done.  :confused:



          Painted my nuts with a Dupli-Color Metalcast that makes them look "Anodized" if you were wondering about the color difference  OMG/Shocked

          Since we are using a 12 Mega Pixel camera we can get pretty good closeup pics from the same shot

          Here is a closeup of my nuts  :clap:



          ADD: The DC-Metalcast is kind of a one time use or final use. If you put a wrench on it the stuff comes right off sad

          Red is the high temp ceramic Chrysler Red Dupli-Color stuff from Autozone
          Black is going to be Simi Gloss Rustolum - unless somebody has a better idea/source smile



          Repainted the old Dog Bone

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          « Reply #13 on: May 08, 2011, 06:02:42 AM »

          Lookin good Pappy. I commend you for the picture taking. That takes more effort than the wrenchin.

          You'll be happy later on when you forget how something was and you can go back and review the pics!

          Marc
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            « Reply #14 on: May 08, 2011, 10:01:08 AM »

            Thanks Marc,

            The pictures seen here are reduced 80% before I upload em and they are just a few of the many I take

            So if anyone has a particular interest in something let me know and maybe we can zoom in on it
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