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Title: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 16, 2015, 08:49:17 PM
Well my Fiero friends Pappy is trying real hard to get an 88 Formula with a SC 3800 this Wednesday - Had to request a kitchen pass - I have the money but had to pull pretty deep from my 88 GT funds and completly wipeout the secret squirrel money

I'm very excited about this and looking forward to owning it!

Wish me luck guys  :pray:


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Nathrak on August 16, 2015, 09:42:50 PM
YAY  8)


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Dragon on August 17, 2015, 01:55:41 PM
Good luck to you Pappy



Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: uhlanstan on August 18, 2015, 10:31:30 AM
 Once again all the good women & great  deals go to pappy,good luck at owning 2 3800 while I can not even drive a fiero now,, how about a trade,my 86 for your formula , thatdeal  of course favor me .inform me as to what be "" squirrel money""
stan


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Koenig355 on August 18, 2015, 11:16:27 PM
You go big guy keeping finger crossed.


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 19, 2015, 10:15:03 PM
Thanks guys 8)

I got the car - A one owner 88 Formula - 5 speed - SC 3800 - The amount of upgrades on this car are mind boggling

She is maroon in color with some surface rust here and their, but nothing we can't take care of with a little bit of elbow grease  :D

After getting her home I had to wrestle with a worn out hose against the firewall. This was going great until the rear deck lid key lock stopped working. I had open/closed it 3 times, even loaded my spare tool bag in the trunk along with some radiator fluid - Now it won't unlatch the deck lid LoL

Sure she needs some love but that's OK with Pappyz   :thumbsup:

Stan - Secret Squirrel Money is like dark matter - We know it exist but nobody can prove it - The more overtime I work, the more secret squirrel money I seem to create  ;)


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 2manycars on August 20, 2015, 04:41:19 AM
Pappy:

Let me know if you'd like some tech help on one of your "inconvenient", middle of the week days off! (Us retired guys keep unusual schedules too).

My services can be had for some Mike's Hard Lemonade. (We might get Old Lar to show up as well)!  }:(

Marc


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Dragon on August 20, 2015, 11:25:54 AM
Pappy:

Let me know if you'd like some tech help on one of your "inconvenient", middle of the week days off! (Us retired guys keep unusual schedules too).

My services can be had for some Mike's Hard Lemonade. (We might get Old Lar to show up as well)!  }:(

Marc

I would not mind playing also



Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 20, 2015, 07:18:17 PM
Thanks y'all

1st thing is to get the trunk to open - mechanics at work said drill the cylinder out - wife made me call popalock
They said they would call me back tomorrow

As far as werkin on it - my shop is 2 guys short right now so we are having mandatory overtime fun
I am going to apply for one of those 2 positions  :D

Once we get the deck lid open we will show nuf have sum tech days


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 2manycars on August 21, 2015, 04:27:15 AM
Pappy:

Here's a few thoughts on the trunk lock problem:

-A generous application of graphite lock lube followed by working the key in and out to loosen the pins and tumblers. There's only 3 or 4 pins that control the lock. If the key worked before, some lube might help do the trick.

-Jumper the trunk lock to release. (Does the car have an electric trunk lock switch)?

-Did the 3800 install remove part of the trunk? If so you may be able to get to it from underneath.

-Again from underneath, I believe the lock hasp bolts through the back trunk wall. You may be able to loosen the 2 nuts from underneath and pop the hasp loose in order to release the trunk lid.

Just some thoughts and "free" advice. You get what you pay for!   :badgrin:

Keep us posted, Marc


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Old Lar on August 21, 2015, 07:30:36 AM
Old Lar is currently up in New York.  I won't be back until next week.

Worst trip in my years of travel with various accidents on the highways (detour function worked well getting around). Torrential rain from Virginia on Thursday to NY.  My 8 or 9 hour drive took more than 12 hours.


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 21, 2015, 04:51:34 PM
Sadly it is not a power lock  :(

I have not had time to crawl under her as of yet
Need a day off


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Dragon on August 21, 2015, 11:08:17 PM
Any pictures of the new ride?


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 22, 2015, 05:30:59 AM
I sure do - But Image Crap Shack is just plain Crap now a days

I'll try with Photobucket

I did scrape off the stickers on windshield   ;)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2074_zpsw5uonvir.jpg)
Look at them Big Monster Brakes  :D
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2073_zpsetf6iqjv.jpg)
Probably going to replace the Supertrap exhaust tips with a more stock looking tip  8)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2072_zps9ropy5rz.jpg)
Not going to give my opinion on this 3800 swap yet  }:(
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2076_zps8kkmpwgi.jpg)

 We need to address a few things but it does run - Prolly going to have to drill out trunk cylinder


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 2002z28ssconv on August 22, 2015, 01:11:06 PM
I'm sure you pushed down on the deck lid while turning the key, right?
If the key won't turn, lubricate the bejeebus out of the lock tumblers through the key hole.
If it turns but doesn't pop open, the mechanism is likely just jammed. Pound on it some.


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: uhlanstan on August 22, 2015, 02:51:02 PM
 if the key will insert into the lock properly &  seems to work normally,yet will not release, not pop the trunk
 the best antidote,especially if the key looks worn, is to have a new key made ,after work stop at home depot have one made ,
fortunately a new lock is not expensive from fiero store or other source
  does it have electronic opener ?? if it does not work often the fuse is removed because there are battery draining  lights connected to the popper.located to the right of the steering wheel

exterior looks good ,wish my car look that good


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 23, 2015, 02:27:18 PM
Keys are brand new & It's not a power lock   :(

Tried all the a fore mentioned tips to no avail  xx( (Thank guys)  :D
The more I had to mess with it the more I liked Chucks "Pound on It" tip  ;)

Looks like I'm going to have to drill it this evening  8O8


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 23, 2015, 06:26:37 PM
Drilling complete - Deck lid open
-- Cause - Deck lid was cattywampus
-- Corrective action - Adjusted deck lid
-- To be repaired- Lock cylinder

Heater hose leak
-- Cause - Hose rubbing against dog bone bracket and trunk wall
-- Corrective action - Replaced hose and added additional shielding
-- To be repaired - Remove them unneeded hoses

Items of interest
01 Power steering pump still on motor and in belt system  }:(
02 Shifting requires a lot of arm effort
03 E brake inop
04 AC not blowing cold
05 Passenger side headlight motor inop
06 No dash lights
07 Left and right mirrors require adjustment - possible replacement
08 Service engine light intermittent
09 Tach requires trace cut and 280k resistor
10 All carpets require removal and cleaning
11 Seats need reupholstering
12 Rear bumper Pontiac emblem MIA
13 Miscellaneous interior items
This list will continue to grow I'm sure  ;)

I really do love this car tho  :thumbsup:
I hope to be driving it to our next meeting


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 2manycars on August 24, 2015, 03:45:12 AM
Pappy:

and "cattywampus" is a technical term for .  .  .  .  .  .  ?  :confused:

Looks like you found a good buy. Look forward to a ride.

Marc


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 24, 2015, 05:17:29 AM
Ahh I apologize Marc - Cattywampus is a technical term used to describe something that is whopperjawed


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: uhlanstan on August 24, 2015, 01:17:07 PM
 I have MR2 double seal for 4 speed manual ,this also fits other clutch slave not sure if it will work on 5 speed ..I also have the proper quality hone to hone & clean up the slave.
 the slave is a pain to bleed , install of proper dual seal slave piston fixes 90 % of shift problems
also you need to ajust the shifter this is where you use a nail or drill to align the shifter
 while you are in their add light grease actual shift mechcanism,you do not have to remove,just pull it out a small amount & apply grease .
 It is a real pain in the catty wampus to try to bleed the single seal piston
 Rodney has the dual seal clutch slave piston, the dual seal piston work so good it is like a belt fed FN machine gun pure ecstacy
happiness is a belt fed weapon


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 25, 2015, 05:44:33 AM
As for the shift issue, I am not against the whole master/slave restoration but this thing is hard to move around period

Example: Car is off and in neutral - Side to side movement is to stiff (resistance seems to high to me) and the gate seems too tight


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 85LAMB on August 25, 2015, 06:11:31 AM
Papy, congrats on the new car :)

As for the hard shifter on the movement from side to side,
it would be one of the transmission cables, check Rodney Dickman's site.
I would tell you which cable controls the side to side movement.

I would rebuild the shifter assembly w/ the kit that Rodney sells, it improves the way the shifter feels, it makes it more precise.

Looking forward to seing the car  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 2002z28ssconv on August 25, 2015, 10:21:45 PM
Side to side is controlled by the SELECT cable. Rodney has the best ones available.

As for the tight gates, is it a short shifter. There was one on mine when I first got it and I hated it. I swapped the stock one from a car I was selling and was happy to be rid of the "upgrade" when it went away with the other car.


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Dragon on August 25, 2015, 11:21:51 PM
Might have a shifter assembly up in the attic if need be


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 26, 2015, 05:41:54 AM
I believe it is the rodney dickman cables & short shifter

It is the Isuzu 5 speed also

Thanks for the info guys  :D
If it fits that would be cool Frank


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 30, 2015, 05:11:28 PM
I was going to replace the brake pads today but the weather was crap  xx( and gave me a small case of Collywobbles

Anyway I had to order them - So I got a full set of.....wait for it.....Stan.....I'm sure you'll be proud.....
Wagner Thermoquiets - They wont get here til Tuesday so I'll probably drive over on the old pads

Maybe I'll cruse up to Titusville and see Marc

I'm very pleased with the car so far  8)


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 2manycars on August 31, 2015, 04:34:48 AM
Pappy:

Let me know what you've got in mind. I'm always ready to try out a new ride.

I've got Thursday open in my very busy schedule for some pizza.

Marc

(Will I have to pack some tools)!


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 31, 2015, 05:26:53 AM
I'm off Thursday - Sunday

No tools required - I say we go up a little early so what time would you like me to arrive?


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 2manycars on August 31, 2015, 05:56:57 AM
You're the driver, I'm the passenger.

Name the time (I'm retired you know)!  8)

Marc


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 2002z28ssconv on August 31, 2015, 06:50:53 PM
Oh wow! Pappy... Marc... and another soopa chawed 88...
I'm not missing the meeting this Thursday night. Can't wait...


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: blackgtfiero on September 01, 2015, 04:13:39 PM
Hello there Pappy, you mentioned about some interior parts for you new ride, I have some parts you may need it, let me know , and what color is the interior of your new toy?


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on September 01, 2015, 06:40:49 PM
It's grey  :)

I'll be working on it tomorrow between doctor appointments and will have a better idea of what interior stuff is needed

Do you still need the battery tray? I've been carrying it around in the back seat of the ford   ;)


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: uhlanstan on September 01, 2015, 08:42:15 PM
 there is a unique viewing & wordsmith event thursday nite  in the 17-92 publix parking lot. all interested in sex should attend,,others?Please  just continue to watch T.V re runs it is what your life has become.many choose to live a real life & will chat ,joust,join,redevous  with like minded brothers & a few high minded intellectual sisters to futher american iron like the indomitable shining star of G.M design, the one & only Fiero one of the real great cars to come out of detroit.
 Fiero knights of the almost round table,,hoist your fiero petard,carry the banner proudly & join the faithful who carry the fiero banner into the future .
 
his royal rotuness


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on September 02, 2015, 12:51:05 PM
Well boyz things have taken a turn for the worse  :(

I took the Formula to my dental appointment today (Yep 2 shots of Novocain) and on the way home their was a great crunch/bang noise that shook the car - I was in 3rd and the car acted as if the clutch was in so I attempted to pull over to the shoulder - A little old lady in a red Toyota was bound and determined to not let me do this so I ended up on the causeway going up hill with no where to pull off

After a few up and down shifts, the shifter was in Neutral, clutch was out and the transmission acted as if it were in 5th - Again I had no where to go but over the causway - I tried every gear but the transmission remained the same - Another little old lady in a silver Toyota had boxed me in with the other little old lady doing 35 mph - By the time I reached the top of the causeway the car had no more pull - Luckily it was down hill so I attempted to coast to a safe place to pull off the road - That's where yet another little old lady in a white Toyota who must have been in a hurry began blowing her horn and giving me the finger - Argh - I did finally get to a safe place on the side of the road  8}

A guy in a yellow jeep stopped and offered to assist me - I began to speak but my mouth couldn't produce words that resembled any spoken language so after a few head tilts, puzzled looks and shoulder shrugs he cautiously got back in his vehicle and drove away

Then I thought Hey I'll call my buddy Marc
I proceeded to try to communicate with Marc - I told him I was in great peril from little old ladies driving Toyotas, roasting in the direct sunlight, not to mention my mouth was totally numb from the dentist and my transmission issues - He said "Hold on a second Pappy" and it seemed as if the phone got muffled and I thought I heard "Bwa Ha Ha ha ha" Then "I'm sorry, excuse me one more second Pappy" muffled phone again and "Bwaaaa Ha ha ha ha hack hack cough cough cough" Then the phone went dead - A few minutes later he texted me a pic of him floating in his pool wearing a speedo and a straw hat drinking a Peach Daiquiri with a little umbrella in it

He did finally give me a few pointers on the shift levers and I manipulated them from the transmission side to no avail - I had the car towed home I'm guessing we'll pull the transmission tomorrow


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 2manycars on September 02, 2015, 01:07:35 PM
Bwaaaa Ha ha ha ha hack hack cough cough cough - splash splash - Burrrrppppp!

Oh, I'm sorry, didn't mean to type that publicly!!

I'll bring the Mike's tomorrow! You invite the old ladies!  8}

Marc


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on September 02, 2015, 06:24:05 PM
I'm thinking 0900 - 0930 show - All are welcome
Bring some swimmy trunks if you want to, it's going to be another scorcher  
Sorry no pony rides until further notice

I have Miller Lite, Mikes Harder Lemonade and some wicked sweet Root Beer  :pidu:
Sprite and little tiny Mt Dew and if you want fresh ghost peppers

We will knock off early enough to get everyone back home so they can clean up for the Uber Fiero Owners (UFO) meetin

UPDATE

So far the clutch doesn't appear to have self destructed
The Pressure plate looks good just discolored - Clutch disk is intact but worn out

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2346_25_zpsa2ggu5l4.jpg)

Pressure Plate is a little scalded - Fingers look ok/even - Flywheel also a little scalded but no surface scaring

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2354_30_zpsdx0qg5px.jpg)  }:(  (http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2361_30_zpsxrvhjjlc.jpg)

So I'm thinking transmission  xx(
An old racing club Jedi at Anthony's the other night was eavesdropping on our conversation and said he thought it was the syncros

As you all know - Pappyz hadsta clean it - Even tho it's broke I just gots ta clean it - I also started the rust removal process - Surprisingly it wasn't near as bad as it looked - Bad Isuzu! Bad!

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2341_25_zpsrqz7owjl.jpg)

Wife's attempt to disguise the car so it appears that the tires are all on and touching the ground - Dang HOA
Kinda looks like a GT hiding under them tarps that she zip tied and duct tapped together

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2362_25_zps6kytgwyi.jpg)


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on September 29, 2015, 08:57:38 PM
Some red neck final drive ratio cipherin

My 2008 Solstice @ 80 mph = 3000 rpm
My 2014 Focus @ 80 mph = 3000 rpm

Shade tree calculations using a 27 inch tall tire
I figured that a...
Muncie-M19 @ 80 mph = 2980 rpm (4 Speed Hi-Perf)---4.10 FDR--4th_0.73
Muncie-M17 @ 80 mph = 2943 rpm (4 Speed Standard)-3.65 FDR--4th_0.81
Muncie-MY8 @ 80 mph = 2413 rpm (4 Speed Econo)----3.32 FDR--4th_0.73
Muncie-MG2 @ 80 mph = 2588 rpm (5 Speed Getrag)---3.61 FDR--5th_0.72
Isuzu--MT2 @ 80 mph = 2468 rpm (5 Speed Isuzu)-----3.35 FDR--5th_0.74

This is what Pappy wants :dance:
A modified M17 with some MY8 internals - Lets call it the M16  ;)
It should work out to be the same as the MY8 top end with physically stronger low gears

Muncie-M16 @ 80 mph = 2413 rpm (4 Speed Hybrid)---3.32 FDR--4th_0.73)
Get you some of that!

Props to Nate over at Pennocks for the "How To Build a Hybrid MY8/M17"  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on October 02, 2015, 08:17:25 PM
Today we started the mounting of the M17 four speed
It was cleaned, drained and the axle seals replaced
The main input shaft seal had to be ordered - It will be here Wednesday
The pressure plate and flywheel were sandblasted and they cleaned up nicely

My buddy Tom noticed these 2 stress fractures in the transmission mount - I'm amazed Stan's 2.8 could do this

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2493_stress01_zpsikvfihyz.jpg)

After some high level brain storming and beer we came to this conclusion - Add a few runs with the welder

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2496_beefed01_zpsi6sefgib.jpg)

So here she is cleaned up and mounted on the cradle
New slave, new seals (soon to be new main input seal), then some new PennzoilŪ synchromesh manual transmission fluid, new clutch, new throw out bearing and old beefed up mounts

(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2501_M17_mounted01_zpsbrbwnglz.jpg)

I'm very pleased with today's progress

 8) 8)


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on October 04, 2015, 07:30:16 AM
The flywheel & pressure plate after getting cleaned up a bit

Before sandblasting                                            After sandblasting
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2361_30_zpsxrvhjjlc.jpg)  (http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s283/Pappy_FB/IMAG2512_FW_zpsyewqcn6o.jpg)


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 2manycars on October 09, 2015, 08:38:21 AM
Pappy:

Not to add work to your already noble efforts, but have you considered while everything is disassembled to check the throw out shaft bushings? (Dickman sells replacements along with a tool to install). Also how about the rear main seal on the engine?

I know they're delays, but while everything's out and apart, why not be thorough?

Marc


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: uhlanstan on October 09, 2015, 11:07:46 AM
 remember the one transmission mount was busted ,, this woulod have place additional stress on the frame & ANY MOUNTS , My car only has about 125 hp not drive fast occasional jack rabbit start
 the tranny works great just make sure you have proper adjustment so that every gear goes firmly into place  first reverse  second


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Dragon on October 09, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
So when is the next tech session - hopefully to get the car close to or on the road?


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on November 03, 2015, 06:38:08 AM
Sorry guys it has been very busy here with work and visiting relatives  :O


Going to shoot for November the 14th for the next Tech Day


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: uhlanstan on November 10, 2015, 09:50:48 PM
 I pulled the ball stud out of one of the Rodney cables ,it fit back in tight & there was never a problem
just do not pull it out again wrap some material around the cable ends when you pull on it.
 be carefull going under the TBI,gentle.
 this transmission has good action in first & second where most Muncie 4 speed go bad
 before I became senile I had work on a few Muncie ,, the adjustment for the 3rd gear is a pain
you have to be precise ,if the 3rd gear comes loose ,jump out of gear,, a precise adjustment is needed
 to ensure the shift is firm & the shift goes all the way in..
 ajust the holes under the console with nail or drill,,tight fit , then ajust shift linkage at the transmission
 levers recheck,, you will have to loosen  transmission shifters,,double check
 the procedure is different for an old transmission
 Hopefully some one who purchase & install a new transmission will speak up, this is much easier (I think)
 the most important is the first to second shift, the reverse is not properly synchronize,so a good slave cylinder is IMPORTANT ,do not scrimp unless broke
I gave you a new  double seal clutch slave piston,if you have a good stock slave cylinder ,quick hone with the special hone I gave you,after honing clean it our real good check for pits the duble seal piston works great even with light pitting,, the double seal slave is easy to bleed,very light hone ,some slave,s in good condition just need a hone with a piece of denim,chuck into the drill
 consult the manual/pennock for there version then a slight tweek will get you firm great shift unless you fcuk up,once the transmission is in take your time to ajust if it stay in gear ,but will also jump out of gear, observe  the direction that the gear & shift are moving to go into gear PRESTO,YOU NOW KNOW THE DIRECTION  TO MOVE small increments  & now you can speed & tear it up..
 this transmission did not leak,mayby sweep, I never added fluid in 7 years


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on November 11, 2015, 08:22:19 AM
Thanks Stan we will do our best   8)

Tech Days are going to be -- Friday the 13th and Saturday the 14th -- @ 0930  :D

Message me if you need an address


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on November 14, 2015, 01:44:55 PM
Well another fun weekend at Pappyz - Thanks to Larry (Old Lar who helped both days!) Frank and Marc - We have the motor in

As mentioned before the 4 speed linkage and 3800 exhaust crossover are an Interference Fit - My plan is to drink beer, use the Rodney Dickman steel replacement bracket and move the cable assembly over 5 to 7 centimeters to Port - Allowing me to drink more beer and more crossover pipe clearance - Then extend the Starboard shift linkage to compensate while drinking beer. I'm pretty confident we can make it happen Cappin

Old Lar was so upset about the interference fit he did a set of hand over back flips up the drive way followed by a flurry of round house kicks in the air killin 2 dragonfly's and a moth then punched me square in the ribs - Ouch

I'm sorry about no pics y'all but I refuse to pay Imageshack extortion fees!  8O8
P.S. The Imageshack mafia has informed me that my pic links will no longer work next year - So we can kiss my 3800 GT build thread goodbye too - Again sorry

 :monkeyleft: The Imagecrack Mafia :thefinger:


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Old Lar on November 15, 2015, 01:56:54 PM
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/633/LxK7rg.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/hlLxK7rgj)

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/633/oP5ER2.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/hloP5ER2j)

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/903/jO0NB7.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/p3jO0NB7j)

Installation of a cradle bolt by Pappy.

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/910/uvZYwp.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pauvZYwpj)

Frank installation of a cradle bolt.

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/905/kzjPKr.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/p5kzjPKrj)

All in.  Old Lar was manning the hoist, go up, go down, up a little, down a little not that fast, take it up etc.



Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on November 15, 2015, 06:43:12 PM
Thanks for posting the pics Lar  8)

Got a lot buttoned up today and with some help from da the wife the wheels are on the ground!

Everything else should be accessible topside  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Old Lar on November 16, 2015, 09:15:23 AM
Did you reinstall the dust shield?


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on November 16, 2015, 03:03:44 PM
Did you reinstall the dust shield?

Yes sir but I had to modify it quite a bit too make it fit


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Dragon on November 16, 2015, 11:37:35 PM
Thanks for posting the pics Lar  8)

Got a lot buttoned up today and with some help from da the wife the wheels are on the ground!

Everything else should be accessible topside  :thumbsup:

Thats faster than I figured you get it done



Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on November 18, 2015, 10:24:01 AM
Now that I've had some time and beers to think about the interference issue I believe I might have a better plan

I was thinking we may be able to clock (rotate) everything to port 15 to 20 degrees - This would require pulling the linkages off the transmission to be modified as well - yes it could be the way to go  :D


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on November 19, 2015, 06:22:31 AM
Last night some of the Space Coast Fiero guys got together for food and drinks - It was brought to my attention that some thought that I was peeved at Gordon over the transmission - Not at all - I think Gordon is a great guy and I got a great car things like this happen so it's all good  8)


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on November 27, 2015, 03:02:40 PM
Today I got the Isuzu shifter and cables out and the Muncie shifter and cables mounted in the cabin - Console skeleton is intact  8)

Did some minor rust prevention and wiring


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on March 10, 2016, 08:55:23 AM
Update...

I took a week off from work - Boss has already tried to lure me back in twice   :naughty:

The car starts!  :thumbsup:

Bled the clutch (With help from da Wife) - It feels good but won't know until shifter is operational  :think:

Shifter bracket mod is going well  :pray:


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: exoticse on March 10, 2016, 09:50:36 AM
Sounds like you are getting close. 👍


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 2manycars on March 10, 2016, 03:09:57 PM
A week off from work and it's Bike Week!

Listen, hear it calling you?   pappy . . . paaaapppppy . . . Paappy    you need to head North . . . !  8)

How can you resist?

Marc


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on March 14, 2016, 08:09:18 PM
@Tony: Yes Sir and I'm excited  8)

@ Marc: We did go up to the Iron Horse Saturday for a few hours...

But on a side note the time I put in on the 4 speed linkage is paying off - It needs tweaking but it works!

This all made Mrs Pappy happy!

Hopefully the boss won't make me work this Saturday and I can get the Formula back on the road


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on March 21, 2016, 04:33:09 PM
Today's Test drive went very well (About 15 miles) - Car still needs a lil tweaking  :)
Clutch feels good - Shifts are tight but in a good way    :D
I am pleased and she pulls strong   :dance:

Da Wife said she posted an action video on SCF's Facebook page


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on March 21, 2016, 11:16:41 PM
I got a new welding helmet - A Lincoln "Viking" with 2.0 Cheater Lens - Words can't explain the vast improvement over my old helmet

Almost forgot - As I was modifying the Formula's exhaust for the new Tips...

I was under the car lying on my side in close quarters - Barely enough room for my head between the frame and concrete my shoulders were in the wheel well - It was a tight fit - Things were going great, tight bead good flow and then it happened - A weld splatter popped into my left ear canal - Now I knew I couldn't egress at anything but a medium pace so I thought I'd just Man Up and Tuff it out - It crackled and hissed for what seemed like an eternity and smelt like bacon - Slowly as the nerve endings in my ear began to melt together my small brain diluted by alcohol initiated a pain response - Crackle - Hiss - Crackle - Tears welled up and started to flow across my nose into my other eye, pool together then pour down into my new helmet - Large quantities of mucus formed instantly as if from thin air blocking my sinus down to my nostrils - Forcing me to attempt to breath through my mouth - However my mouth was already engaged in a chorus of loud and rowdy profanity (I'm pretty sure my legs were twitching at this point)

My involuntary survival in-stinks took over and I began banging my head violently between frame, helmet and driveway with the rhythm of a 70 MPH tire shred - My body was attempting to pull my head to safety with all the tenderness of a Nile crocodile in a death roll - My legs had the grace of a drunken ostrich with a head wound flailing about trying to pull my body out from under the car - Amazingly I lived

All in all it was terrifyingly painful
I figured I should consult a Doctor

Dr Drankenstein said to take 2 aspirin (drink heavily and glob as much triple antibiotic ointment with pain relief as I could in my ear) and call him in the morning

I survived - Lesson Learned - Use ear plugs/protection while welding overhead and don't order expensive stuff on the internet while under the care of Dr Drankenstein


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 85LAMB on March 22, 2016, 06:25:08 AM
Man I am really glad that you got it on the road  :thumbsup:

I am sorry about the burn....
That could have been really bad

Hope to see you on Saturday 



PS. man you have a good way w/ words


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on March 22, 2016, 12:00:16 PM
Thanks for the compliment Link  8)

Sorry my boss has me working Friday and Saturday now

The first year I have a running Fiero too - LoL



Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on March 31, 2016, 11:41:14 PM
I've been driving the Formula to work for awhile now and she has been doing great

I had forgotten how much I enjoyed a 4 speed - Thanks again to everyone who helped

The coolant issue is sorted out - she holds steady at 185° now
The tach needed the resistor mod, but I think it's still about 500 rpm's to high
I'm pulling the passenger side seat/carpet out tomorrow to give them a good cleaning
Ordered both power window switches and a headlight rebuild kit from The Fiero Store
Ordered a number 7 billiard ball shifter from American Shifter - Via eBay

I finally got up enough nerve to get on it and she responded with roastin the tires for me - Until the rev limiter kicked in - Defiantly gonna have to get that computer reprogrammed

PS. Does anyone have a stock steering wheel and the cover(s) that goes right behind it? (Gray)


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Old Lar on April 01, 2016, 04:06:40 PM
Great news, Pappy.  Keep roasting tires and replacements are $100+ each. :D


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on April 02, 2016, 10:52:08 PM
Oh yeah tires ain't cheap but I just had to see what she could do  :shhh:

Pulled passenger side stuff out - Cleaned seat and power washed carpet - Treated the pan for some minor rust
While I was waiting for all that to dry, I tried to repair the Passenger side headlight motor - Long story short, I had to order a new motor but that's OK it was only $85 at Advanced (with a core turn in)
During all this time I was repairing interior pieces on the side using 5 minute 2 part plastic epoxy a lot of clamps and "As Seen On TV" UV activated 5 Second Fix - All I can say is that UV activated stuff works great  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The wife came out and made me eat - Hand fed me as I sat cross-legged in the driveway with a lap full of headlight parts she did - Gotta love her  :ILU:

If the weather holds out the interior should dry and I can reassemble - Then next weekend I'll do the drivers side.


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on April 05, 2016, 10:22:05 PM
Got the new passenger side headlight motor today - So no more Mr Winkie
Still need the cover piece the goes right behind the steering wheel (Gray or Black)

I was going to go to the April meeting but remembered it was our 7th wedding anniversary and that was probably a higher priority than the meeting - Hehe

It's Wool/Copper for those who want to know  ;)

PS. I love driving the Formula - It seriously grips the road


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: uhlanstan on April 07, 2016, 03:02:05 PM
 Bring the wife to the meet tonight,let her have fun with you her favorite knight,,what could be more fun & exciting for a bride ,than a meeting with a bunch of men ??
now is the time to show her you care get her a sweater from the thrift shop ,drill a hole thru a penny & sew to the sweater ,show some real class
plus you may score the dash piece at the meeting,
when using my advise remember I can not hold onto a girlfriend for longer than a month!!
royal rotuness


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on April 08, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Stan, I would have to had gone home to fetch her - 30 minutes further away from our Meetin - Putting our arrival purty dang near 8:00 o'clock  :(


New actuator didn't restore headlight operation - Actuator/Motor tested out to be good so I'm thinking some wiring/relay problems (Gremlins maybe) the passenger window goes DOWN when UP is pressed and vise versa or as Marc likes to say umgekehrt - And we have no dash lights or radio


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on April 10, 2016, 09:02:08 AM
The wife and I made plans that Saturday would be our go out to eat "Anniversary Dinner"
Since we were going to be up in the Daytona area she offered to go to the Pick & Pull - I accepted

She actually walked the yard with me - We scored some much needed 3800 parts and 8 sweet injectors from a 5.3L Silverado


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on April 17, 2016, 06:43:19 PM
The Wife said the Formula was very loud on the inside, she would wear ear plugs whenever she rode in it...

I researched Dynamat and thought Holy Crap That's Expensive - Saw a few places where people were using Peal & Seal from Lowes as a much CHEAPER alternative - Like a hundred dollars cheaper

Today I went to Lowes and bought a roll of Peal & Seal for about $16. Pulled out the seats and the interior bits to gain access to the rear firewall - Covered from the rear window down to where it begins to curve into the floor pan - But not the floor pan itself that will have to wait for another weekend

The stuff did a great job - Wife and I rode around the block and we could talk at a normal level - No ear plugs required  ;)


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on April 27, 2016, 06:42:16 PM
Maroon Menace Update:

Had a terrible short in the ignition coil module (The base plate thingy that the coil packs plug into)

I was amazed it still ran - The 4th pin had completely smoked
Going to replace module, related coil pack and the connector this weekend (Not Saturday tho cuz Pappy gotz to werk)



Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on May 01, 2016, 09:34:28 AM
Went to LKQ in Orlando Friday - Got the ignition coil module with all the coils and the connector off of a Supercharged Buick and a throttle body from a Northstar.

After talking to some of the Mechanics at work and showing them pictures of the short, they thought it was probably from vibration. I didn't tell them how or where it was mounted - Since it was poorly mounted under the car and on a flimsy piece of diamond plate Pappy is relocating today - Location will be topside, solid and accessible.

I will also try to remove unnecessary wiring from the 'hack job' harness
And
If I have time some off motor injector inspection/cleaning


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 02, 2016, 09:01:00 PM
I have had a very hard 2 months health wise

On a good note the Menace is back online and running again - I had to put in a new thermostat and I have a few things left to do with harness

I really want to drive it to the September meeting



Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 2manycars on August 03, 2016, 07:26:45 AM
Any chances for the meeting tomorrow night?

Marc


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 12, 2016, 09:50:08 PM
Little late but nope - but Sept for sure


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on August 27, 2016, 12:39:30 PM
Finally got the harness back in and through the stock Fiero pass through - Ordered a bunch of split loom - Wrapped it up all purdy like and added some foam to isolate it from rubbin

On a side note I bought Rpro's old 88 (Cuz he gotz a new one) to use for parts - This bothers me because it runs so smoth and has AC!

Now I have 3  :O


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Dragon on August 29, 2016, 11:00:58 PM
So keep al three :D


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on September 17, 2016, 10:07:49 PM
Maroon Menace update:
Woo hoo we have AC!
OBD2 Computer securely mounted in stock location
Touchscreen, amp, subwoofer and speaker upgrade - in work but operational

I've been driving it to work and loving it

Having some clutch slipage  :crybaby:


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: exoticse on September 18, 2016, 08:53:01 PM
How about some pics ??


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Dragon on September 20, 2016, 06:13:20 PM
Hopefully he can bring it to the swap meet Saturday



Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: 2manycars on September 21, 2016, 09:41:37 AM
Hey Pappy:

I'm bringing some Mike's Hard Lemonade Saturday.

Your beverage of choice!

Marc


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on September 21, 2016, 05:19:48 PM
@ Tony: I'll try - Image Shack Mafia is not an option any longer - Not sure about Photobucket
@ Dragon: We shall be there
@ Marc: I got diagnosed with diabetes a few months ago - But I will have a Mikes with ya



Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Pappy on November 25, 2017, 10:56:30 PM
Maroon Menace Update:

The factory clutch wasn't holding up to the torque the engine was puttin down - Got a new Spec 4 clutch kit (Not installed)

Fixed LIM gasket leak, removed EGR system, did more harness management - Cleaned and painted M90 & valve covers - Silver & Black - She looked sweet

Located a M282 (Getrag) 5 speed - Thanks Straws - Will install along with Spec clutch during motor swap

Drove it a few days - Spun rod bearing - Sadness - Pappy can't find decent L32 for good price


Title: Re: Pappy's New Formula
Post by: Dragon on November 26, 2017, 12:38:28 AM
You will like the Spec 4

It's a great clutch